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NickC — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:33:28 -0000

Your blog reader feed did not get updated ... that is what I watch for updates ...
http://dreamless.keenspot.c...

Love the comic you and Sarah have produced!

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Bobby Crosby — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:35:44 -0000

It went up yesterday.

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Gaylegee — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:27:32 -0000

New page---pretty please?

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MiriamE — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:13:58 -0000

I'm a little late in commenting, but oh well! I was really worried about Takashi there for while, but I think now I'm more concerned for Elanor. Great page, can't wait for the next one!

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WolfofSilver — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:12:44 -0000

I agree with Kalietha. So much beautiful work, and all you guys can do is argue about a word that hasn't even been used in the comic. For shame. Sit back and watch to see what happens, because that's what I'm doing. :) Good show on the people who remarked on the comic itself.

Yes, Sarah, Bobby, it is a beautifully written & drawn comic. Keep it up, we beg you! I look forward to your comic every time I hop on my computer. :)

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Kalietha — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:18:11 -0000

Wow. I feel sorry for the wonderful makers of this comic. Here they put so much work into a great story and awesome art, and the readers erupt into whole huge arguments about details on a regular basis.

The ability to write comments is a privilege, people, and one that not all comic artists are kind enough to grant. So please, treat as such.

Sarah, Bobby, this is a wonderful comic and I truly hope that you won't give up on it just because the most vocal of your readers seem to be social idiots.

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Ellie — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:33:16 -0000

I'm only seeing the end of the argument, but he really never said the word geisha, everyone's making presumptions that she is a geisha. She could just be a good old fashioned prostitute. A woman in Japan who entertains men, whether with sex or not, does not HAVE to be a geisha. Could just be a prostitute. I'm just saying.

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Katie — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:51:03 -0000

Oh my god, people. Really?
WHO CARES ANYMORE?
Regardless of whether she's a geisha or a hooker or a geisha hooker or a girl in a kimono with her hair in a bun (since that's all we can tell from her silhouette), does it really matter?
No, not especially.
It's a comic! It's meant for entertainment. Between the fantastic storytelling and the gorgeous art, I tend to get swept up in the comic, instead of nitpicking every tiny detail.
If you're flipping out over details like this, I feel you're going into this comic with the wrong approach.
Just wait for the next update and stop having comment wars.

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eyelid — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:15:49 -0000

what's so terribly wrong with being a prostitute anyway? And why would being a mistress be different, or superior?

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Bobby Crosby — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:58:24 -0000

"I would tend to believe him over you. I still love your comic, but to imply that a good chunk of 'true' Geisha were in fact, prostitutes is an insult to those women in the past who did years and years of schooling and worked hard to become high class entertainers."

#1 -- If he said there was never a prostitute geisha, feel free to believe a crazy liar. #2 -- How is it an insult to say the truth, according to a million sources and pure common sense, that obviously some geisha were prostitutes? What's your definition of "a good chunk" and "many"? All that matters to me in this discussion is that there was at least ONE, but even if there were ZERO (which is obviously impossible and would contradict piles of evidence), that would still not be a problem, as I said before. There was never even an intention to use the word "geisha" in the story anyway.

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Jess — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:35:09 -0000

I do think she's on her way to birthday party, probably organised by her Dad. But this asshole army boy may have entirely defeated the whole 'Happy Birthday' thing by nearly making her cry.

Also, doubt he'd be dragging her around in public if he intended to do her harm. I reckon someone else has ordered him around.

Guys can get assaulted, but the hooker's not going to do that. She gets paid either way: if he really asks, she'll probably just untie him and give him directions home.

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KTL — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:47:32 -0000

@Dani I'm not disputing that geishas are prostitutes. Just posting a wild guess wondering if Takashi would actually recognize the woman. :)

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Catriana — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:22:43 -0000

If she's a real Geisha, they must have paid a LOT for her.

Geisha weren't exactly 'cheap', it cost money for their time and attention. While I won't argue that 'some' Geisha were prostitutes, more than likely they were either Geisha that were extremely unpopular anyway and shifted towards prostitution or so extremely low class it was ridiculous.

A majority of Geisha tried to acquire 'danna', who yes, they had sex with quite often when said 'danna' was around. MOST Geisha were 'paid women', they had 'sugar daddies', but that is not the same as prostitution. Furthermore, if a Geisha was giving it up for money just like that, it would have to be an exceptional amount. They were entertainers. They didn't go to school to be whores.

It's a common misconception because Westerners couldn't tell the difference between the paid prostitutes and the Geisha. They were all pretty Asian women in pretty clothes and lots of makeup.

You didn't go through all that schooling to become a high class dancer and entertainer and become little more than a prostitute without there being some sort of substantial reason. I understand the 'Japanese are human too' but they also have their pride. Not sure how it was in the 1900's but I'm almost positive that if you're hiring a Geisha specifically for sex, she ain't that great of a Geisha.

Argue all you want, but a 'true' Geisha, in the sense of what they are supposed to be, were entertainers who gave themselves up to their 'Danna', who paid for ALL of their expenses (kimono's, living expenses, hair, obi's, on TOP of the gifts they received). There's also the 'mizuage' but that is NOT the same as being a prostitute. Considering that I just got done with a Japanese history class (and my history teacher is a durned good one) and he made it pretty durned clear about this misconception, I would tend to believe him over you. I still love your comic, but to imply that a good chunk of 'true' Geisha were in fact, prostitutes is an insult to those women in the past who did years and years of schooling and worked hard to become high class entertainers.

If you want to call them anything, they were Mistresses for men if they acquired a danna. Implying that many of them were prostitutes? I don't agree with that sentiment. I also feel that if they were little more than prostitutes, they weren't considered Geisha by their community.

There's also the common misconception that Samurai were good and virtuous and outstanding, when in fact historically speaking they were nothing but common thugs who leeched off the land and through their own incompentence ended their reign by the end of the 1800's. Does that mean that there weren't some virtuous Samurai? Sure, but they weren't the majority, not at all.

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Dani — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:22:43 -0000

KTL, Bobby already answered the debate and said even though geisha are not technically prostitutes, some of them probably had to and did prostitute themselves. Not every geisha was popular/successful or had the means or a man to support her and her career, so they probably had to try and make money other ways as well. Which is all entirely plausible.

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MelMorning — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:45:13 -0000

Guys.

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Bobby Crosby 10/09/2009 01:14 PM
Of course it was to mock him. They just threw him into a room with a hooker with his hands tied behind his back while wearing his pajamas.

I wish you'd read Bobby's comments.
He said it was a hooker.

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KTL — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 05:18:24 -0000

Here's a wild guess (no surprise if it isn't true):

Takashi and his gang must have _some_ female friends/acquaintances, correct? What if, more than just trying to get Takashi laid on the day he turns into a legal adult, Mamoru and the others teamed up with a female friend, had her dress up, and try to play a trick on Takashi? They might want him to think he's going to lose his virginity, when in fact the female friend would just tease him around a bit.

Now that that's down, I'll counter my own argument by saying that's not just more than unlikely, that's absurd. Why else would Bobby come up with all this research he's done on Geishas if she were not? Since the term "geisha" hasn't come up canonically, Bobby could just say "She's not a geisha." and this whole debate about prostitutes/whores would just disappear. But he countered the comments with his own research, effectively proving that she is a geisha (in whatever terms), and disproving my random theory.

So posting my theory was rather useless, but it's been on my mind for more than a week and I just wanted to get it out there as another idea for whom she may be, even if it is rather random.

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ThatOnePerson — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:32:56 -0000

OH WAIT! Another idea..perhaps..okay you know when someone throws you a surprise party they turn off all the lights and whatnot? The bar is "closed" and yet he says it's not..hmm..O: it's not a dangerous situation and rather an awesome party?

Is it bad that I'm kinda sad..I don't hate her at all, it's not that, I don't want her to get hurt, but for some reason I find it interesting when there's a dangerous situatiom thrown in.

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ThatOnePerson — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:29:38 -0000

I don't know why but I feel like that figure is some sort of fortune teller rather than a geisha or a prostitute..Obviously it sounds like a prostitute right off the bat o: but I'm wondering if perhaps it's worded like that to trick us?

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zombieweirdcrazyfangirl — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:03:45 -0000

Aaaaaargh! Where is my update! AAAAAAH!
Love your work, but please, YOU ARE KILLING ME!

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uh oh — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:35:27 -0000

i hope she gets a male stripper to even it up, instead of getting THROWN INTO A DANGEROUS SITUATION

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Rose87 — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:03:06 -0000

I just like to state for the record that the body can be stimulated when the mind is not willing! A victims physical response does not negate her OR him saying no!

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Trella — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:27:44 -0000

Could someone link me to Bobby's twitter? I've been looking for a link and am apparently blind or stupid since I can't find it. Thank you!

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Calypso — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:35:02 -0000

You know, it kinda cracks me up that everyone is all hung up on the idea that its going to be some sort of 'romantic interlude' ... And personally...I can't see a guy getting raped by a gal unless he actually wanted to..:/ But then it wouldn't be rape, you know...

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Sarah Ellerton Fanboy. — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:23:59 -0000

I <3 Sarah Ellerton.

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Kilya — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:12:07 -0000

I wonder if shes going to have a stripper at her surprise bday party.